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12.2 Is Islam’s Prohibition Of Same-sex Behavior Discriminatory


Does Islam deny equality for “homosexuals”? Does it provide an unfair benefit to “heterosexuals”?

Well, it depends on how you conceptualize that elusive, ambiguous concept known as equality.

Think of it like this. Islam certainly does not prohibit sexual release. Everyone has a possible sexual outlet (with the opposite sex) because, ultimately, sexual pleasure is something “mechanical” to a greater or lesser extent. Now, hear me out. If the right body parts are engaged in the right ways, that more often than not leads to the desired result, regardless of the gender of one’s partner. So, everyone is equally able to marry the opposite sex and experience that. Equality at its finest. No discrimination in sight.

Now, the modern LGBT objection to this is: No, gays and lesbians simply cannot experience sexual fulfillment with the opposite sex. They can only experience it with the same sex.

Well, why? This is not the case in principle.

What if a man said he can only experience sexual fulfillment with supermodels? Or a lady said she can only experience sexual fulfillment with millionaires?

Would we think that that man and that woman were being somehow fundamentally deprived sexually if they lived their whole lives without finding their supermodel(s) or millionaire(s) respectively? If not, why not? Is it because we don’t take their claims for what they need for sexual fulfillment seriously? Well, if we don’t, why should we take the claims of self-labeled gays and lesbians seriously?

Now, you might say that my examples are preposterous. But why? Is it because about 3% of the population considers itself to be gay/lesbian but, relatively, there just aren’t many people who claim they can only get sexual fulfillment through supermodels and millionaires?

Well, that’s not a relevant difference. Conditioning and social influence has a major effect on what people believe they need for sexual fulfillment. What is “sexual fulfillment” really? Seems like a made-up concept. Who can really know what he needs to be “sexually fulfilled”? Is it something you can anticipate beforehand? What if what you need to be “sexually fulfilled” is a very specific Australian office worker exactly 5 years your senior who has a predilection for hamburgers and long walks on the beach? What if this and only this is what you need and your whole life, you never knew it. Sorry! Guess you won’t ever experience sexual fulfillment! You might mistakenly assume that you are sexually fulfilled, you poor naive fellow. But nope! You are missing out! The idea of sexual fulfillment seems to be a wholly modern concept coming from 20th century psychology. It is as if one’s entire sense of self and well-being somehow depends on whether the stars align and one reaches this elusory point of fulfillment. In pop psychology, notions of love also come into the mix. In reality, this is all a hodge podge of contemporary metaphysical goop created to justify popular cultural notions of acceptable sexual behavior, which only very recently has come to include same-sex behavior between adults.

Conditioning through these cultural structures is quite powerful. It sets up people’s expectations for what they need to be happy. With enough media control, you could condition a good portion of the population to think that they really do need supermodels to be sexually satisfied and fulfilled. In fact, this is something that has already occurred to some extent due to pornography. Studies show that young men are less satisfied with “conventional” sex because pornography has completely distorted their expectations for what sexual fulfillment consists of. Their brains have been rewired due to the influence of the online stimulus.

But women are not off the hook. Women’s expectations of an ideal husband have also been distorted by things like Disney movies with Prince Charming, magazines, romance novels, the tendency of social media to selectively highlight happy couples doing happy things, etc. This all has an influence. Studies show how this can increase marital dissatisfaction on the part of women. The average man has a hard time living up to unrealistic, over-inflated standards of a romantic fantasy some women have built up in their imaginations. Women, as a result, are left unfulfilled.

So, in reality, sexual fulfillment is elusive for an increasingly large percentage of the population (far greater than the percentage of those who believe that only the same sex can provide them sexual satisfaction).

But do we think people are truly being deprived? Do we believe that all these people are victims of oppression or systematic inequality that allows some people to experience sexual fulfillment but not others? Is there really discrimination run amok?

Of course not. People’s expectations just need to be adjusted.

This is how the Islamic prohibition of same-sex behavior does not discriminate. In the Islamic conception, it is understood that people can experience all kinds of desires (shahawat). But in most cases, these desires cannot or should not be pursued or fulfilled. This includes same-sex desire, incestuous desire, beastiality, etc. In context of such a panoply of diverse desires, it would be strange to fixate on one particular desire or set of desires and claim that one can only be “sexually fulfilled” if that particular desire is met. Who says?

Whether that desire is for supermodels or millionaires, the expectation is that one must control that desire. If it can be fulfilled and it is a permissible desire to fulfill, then fine. If otherwise, then one must simply exercise self-control. This requirement for self-control is only “oppressive” and “discriminatory” if one has decided a priori that fulfilling said desire is a “fundamental necessity” for “sexual fulfillment,” etc., etc. Who gets to decide that? As we have seen, such a claim is tenuous at best, for numerous reasons.

Can those with same-sex desires adjust their expectations and mindset?

What I mean by this is, can those with same-sex desires get rid of the expectation that they can only experience “sexual fulfillment” by being intimate with someone of the same sex? It might be difficult, but it is not impossible. The same-sex attractions might not always be something that can be eliminated — but that’s not my point. My point is, it is probably more healthy in terms of one’s iman not to think that Allah has created a world where a segment of the population is categorically barred from attaining this special, life-enriching, life-changing, euphoric state of “sexual fulfillment.” If you do think in those terms, then it becomes very difficult not to see God as unjust or Islam as not discriminatory. It all goes back to how sexual fulfillment is defined and delineated.

Ultimately, a lifetime of conditioning is a difficult thing to counteract. But there are resources to help. At the end of the day, however, Islam is not systematically oppressing people by prohibiting certain sexual behaviors. LGBT normalization is oppressing people by making them believe and feel that they need to engage in self-destructive same-sex behaviors in order to be fulfilled.

By the way, it is a real shame that the US Supreme Court did not pursue this line of reasoning in their ruling on same-sex marriage in 2016. Even the dissenters in the Obergefell case did not seriously question the other side’s charge that prohibiting same-sex marriage would be discrimination and, hence, a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment. Technically it is discrimination, but so are laws that allow 16 year olds to drive but not 15 year olds. The question is, is this the kind of discrimination that causes unnecessary harm and disadvantages people in debilitating ways while not serving an overall greater interest for the individual and society overall? The answer to that obviously depends on how we are conceiving harms and benefits. But, in light of religious understandings of sexuality, it is fairly easy to understand these things in a way that makes the answer to the question a resounding, “No.”

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Chapters (129)
  1. 1About The Author
  2. 21. Introduction
  3. 32. Atheism
  4. 42.1 The Self Worship Of Hawking And Physics
  5. 52.2 Anything Except God
  6. 62.3 I Love Science!” And Other Confusions
  7. 72.4 The Self-defeating Nature Of Atheism
  8. 82.5 Unintended Implications Of Atheism
  9. 92.6 Where Is The Evidence For God?
  10. 103. Secularism & Democracy
  11. 113.1 Secularism Is Not Neutral. It Is Suppression
  12. 123.2 The Void Of The Secular
  13. 133.3 The Void Of The Secular
  14. 143.4 Banning The Hijab In Germany
  15. 153.5 Down With The Separation Of Church And State
  16. 163.6 Shaking Hands In Switzerland
  17. 173.7 Only Tyrants Want To Replace Sharia With Religious Freedom
  18. 183.8 Wrapping Our Language In A Liberal Veneer Gets Us Nowhere
  19. 193.9 Is Democracy Better Than Islamic Governance?
  20. 203.10 Secularism Cannot Square The Circle
  21. 214. Freedom, Equality And Liberty
  22. 224.1 Religious Indoctrination And Religious Freedom
  23. 234.2 Islam Does Not Respect Freedom Of Religion
  24. 244.3 The Golden Rule, Self-worship, And Satanism
  25. 254.4 Freedom Of Thought
  26. 264.5 Alcohol And Freedom
  27. 274.6 Hadith On Hudud, Corruption, And Equality
  28. 284.7 Je Suis Hypocrite
  29. 294.8 Is Islam About Liberty?
  30. 304.9 Shouldn’t We All Support Freedom Of Choice
  31. 314.10 Does Islam Promote Equality
  32. 324.11 Spreading Religion Vs. Spreading Human Rights
  33. 334.12 Freedom To Pursue Your Desires
  34. 345. Feminism
  35. 355.1 The Grave Implications Of Feminist Islam
  36. 365.2 The Logic Of Patriarchy
  37. 375.3 Feminism The Cause Of Women Leaving Islam?
  38. 385.4 Who Wants To Debate Patriarchy
  39. 395.5 Slamic Law Makes It Easy For Husbands To Oppress Wives
  40. 405.6 Criticizing Feminism The Right Way
  41. 415.7 Women’s Wellbeing, Not Feminism
  42. 425.8 The Political And Social Power Of Motherhood
  43. 435.9 Triple Talaq
  44. 446. Hijab
  45. 456.1 What Is Oppressive About Hijab Requirements In Some Muslim Countries
  46. 466.2 Productive Ways To Discuss The Hijab
  47. 476.3 The French And The Hijab
  48. 486.4 Fallacies Regarding Hijab
  49. 496.5 There Is No Practical Purpose For The Hijab
  50. 506.6 Hijab And Empowerment Cliches
  51. 516.7 Hijab Is About Choice” And Other Confusions
  52. 526.8 Stop Saying Dumb Things About Hijab
  53. 536.9 Non-muslims Love Burkinis, But Why
  54. 546.10 How Not To Argue Against The Burkini Ban
  55. 556.11 Wearing Hijab As Disobedience
  56. 566.12 Feminism And Hijab (or The Dangers Of Uncritically Adopting Modernist Discourse)
  57. 577. Science & Scientism
  58. 587.1 Common Misconceptions About Scientific Miracles In The Quran
  59. 597.2 Do Islam And Science Ever Conflict? Yes
  60. 607.3 There Is No “pluralism” In Science
  61. 617.4 The Reality Of Science
  62. 627.5 Slam And Science In Conflict: Describing Reality
  63. 638. Liberalism, Liberal Hypocrisy
  64. 648.1 Liberalism Doesn’t See Anything Wrong With Incest
  65. 658.2 Liberal Moral “progress”: The Consent Taboo
  66. 668.3 The Fake Tolerance of Liberalism
  67. 678.4 Liberalism Is Not Merely Irrational. It Is Sheer Madness
  68. 688.5 Liberal Secularism’s Biggest Deceit
  69. 698.6 Liberal Faux-theology
  70. 709. Progressivism, Morality
  71. 719.1 Progressivism And The Inheritors Of The Pharaohs
  72. 729.2 The Incoherence Of Moral Progress
  73. 739.3 We Are The Latest And Greatest (famous Last Words)
  74. 749.4 Modern Vs. Traditional Conceptions Of Knowledge
  75. 759.5 Muslim Savages Cannot Keep Up With Social Progress
  76. 769.6 Is Islam Relevant
  77. 779.7 Who Is The Real “free Thinker”
  78. 789.8 The Logical Direction Of Morality
  79. 799.9 Good Without God? Do We Need Religion To Be “good People”
  80. 8010. Reformists, Modernists
  81. 8110.1 Traditional Muslims Vs. The Modernists
  82. 8210.2 Communist Islam – What We Can Learn From That Travesty
  83. 8310.3 Is Islam The Reason The Muslim World Is “backwards”? Latin America Begs To Differ
  84. 8410.4 The Hypocrisy Of “islamic Reform
  85. 8510.5 Progressive And Modernist Muslim Reform
  86. 8610.6 The Insight Of The Faux-traditionalis
  87. 8710.7 The Modernist Playbook
  88. 8810.8 Hypocrisy On Gender Separation
  89. 8910.9 Knowledge Vs. The Appearance Of Knowledge
  90. 9010.10 “american Islam”
  91. 9110.11 The Western Strategy For Dominating The Muslim World
  92. 9210.12 Hadith And Epistemology: Adam’s Height
  93. 9310.13 The Progressives Vs. The Faux-traditionalists
  94. 9410.14 The Multi-headed Hydra Of Muslim Reformism
  95. 9510.15 Lizard Hole Cometh
  96. 9611. Sex & Zina
  97. 9711.1 Sex Sells, The Same Way Drugs Sell
  98. 9811.2 The Sexual Misery Of The Western World
  99. 9911.3 There Is Only One Kind Of Safe Sex
  100. 10011.4 Premarital Sex Is Not A Victim-less Crime
  101. 10111.5 Sex Is Taboo In Islam
  102. 10211.6 The Purpose Of “sex Education”
  103. 10311.7 Child Marriage” In Bangladesh
  104. 10411.8 Ikhtilat
  105. 10512. Homosexuality & Lgbt
  106. 10612.1 Gay Equality
  107. 10712.2 Is Islam’s Prohibition Of Same-sex Behavior Discriminatory
  108. 10812.3 If We Don’t Support Lgbt Rights, We Will Lose Muslim Rights
  109. 10912.4 Extrasexual Rights Now
  110. 11012.5 Are There “gays” In Islam
  111. 11112.6 This Moment In History
  112. 11213. Malaise
  113. 11313.1 Keeping You Misinformed Is Their Job
  114. 11413,2 Consuming Content And Its Effect On The Heart
  115. 11513.3 The Single Eye Of Modern Politics
  116. 11613.4 How Capitalism Destroys Contentment
  117. 11713.5 How Capitalism Destroys Contentment
  118. 11813.6 The Corporate Virus
  119. 11913.7 Positive Psychology, Self Help, The Science Of Happiness
  120. 12013.8 The Reality Of Baraka
  121. 12113.9 Ramzan Vs. Ramadan
  122. 12214. Muslim Skeptic
  123. 12314.1 The Value Of Destruction To Modern Islamic Scholarship
  124. 12414.2 Purifying The Mind
  125. 12514.3 What Does It Mean To Be A “muslim Skeptic”
  126. 12614.4 What Is The Mission Of The Muslim Skeptic
  127. 12714.5 Why Be A Muslim Skeptic
  128. 12814.6 A Foundational Principle For Understanding Islam In Light Of Modernity
  129. 12914.7 Confessions Of A Muslim Skeptic