Bu musulmonlar Odam alayhissalomning va insonlarning shunday bo'yda ekanligiga qanday dalil bor, deb so'rashmoqda. Bu savol kulgili, chunki agar siz musulmon bo'lsangiz, dalil sahih hadisdir. Boshqa dalil kerak emas. Buni dalil emas deb o'ylashning yagona sababi shuki, siz umuman barcha hadislarga shubha bilan qaraysiz. Bu holda siz shunchaki chalkash odamsiz va Odamning bo'yidan ko'ra ancha muhimroq narsalar haqida o'ylashingiz kerak. Yoki siz Odamning bo'yi haqida sahih hadisdan ko'ra hozirgi ilmiy konsensusni ishonchliroq manba deb bilasiz. Bu holda siz yo Nabiy ﷺ o'zining bo'yini noto'g'ri tasvirlagan deb o'ylaysiz, yo hadis rivoyat qiluvchilari xato qilgan deb o'ylaysiz. Hadisning matni va Odamning bo'yi bir necha sahih hadisda zikr qilinganini hisobga olsak, bu xato juda keng tarqalgan bo'lishi kerak edi.
These Muslims want to know what is the evidence of Adam and humans being this height? It is a funny question because, if you are a Muslim, the evidence is the sahih hadith. That is the evidence. The only reason you would think that that is not evidence is if you are generally skeptical of all hadith, in which case you are just a confused person and have bigger things to worry about than the height of Adam, or you take current scientific consensus as a sounder source of knowledge about the height of Adam than sahih hadith, in which case, you think either the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم misdescribed his height or that the hadith transmitters made a mistake — and given the text of the hadith and the fact that the height of Adam is mentioned in multiple sahih hadith, it would have to have been a pretty extensive mistake.
Biz bu narsalarni baholashimiz mumkin. Avvalo shuni qayd etish kerakki, hadisda zikr qilingan ko'plab narsalarga biz hozirgi ilmiy konsensusni hal qiluvchi deb qaramaymiz. Isro va mi'roj masalasini, yoki payg'ambarlarning mo'jizalarini, yoki Qiyomat alomatlarini, masalan, Yajuj va Majuj va boshqalarni o'ylab ko'ring. Agar hadisda biror narsa bizga muammo tug'dirsa, Qur'onda zikr etilgan voqealar va narsalarni ham o'ylab ko'ring. Shunday ekan, agar hozirgi ilmiy konsensus bu mavzularning hech birida muhim bo'lmasa, nega u Odam alayhissalomning bo'yi masalasida birdaniga hal qiluvchi bo'lib qoladi?
We can evaluate all this. First, we should note that we don’t take current scientific consensus as relevant when it comes to many things described in hadith. Think of Al-Isra wal-mi`raj. Or any of the miracles of the prophets. Think of any of the signs of the Day of Judgment, e.g., ya’juj and ma’juj, etc. And if you have a problem with hadith, then consider any of the events and things mentioned in the Quran. So, if current scientific consensus is not germane to any of these topics, why is it suddenly so all-determinative when it comes to the height of Adam?
Shuningdek, men qaygʻuraman, chunki hozirgi ilmiy konsensusni shunchalik jiddiy qabul qiladigan odamlar koʻpincha fanning tabiati va tarixi haqida chuqur bilimsiz boʻlishadi. Bu haqda shaxsiy tajribam bor: men Harvardda fizika talabasi boʻlganman, shuningdek, oʻsha yerda va Tufts universitetida falsafa va fan tarixi boʻyicha tahsil olganman. Mening ba'zi ustozlarim Nobel mukofoti sovrindorlari yoki uni olish arafasida turgan olimlar edi, ammo ularning fan tarixining asosiy masalalaridagi bilimsizligi hayratlanarli edi. Ular fan tarixini bilishni muhim deb hisoblamas edilar. Shunga koʻra, bunday qiziqish va bilimning yoʻqligi fanning oʻzi haqidagi tor va bir yoqlama tushunchaga olib keldi, bu esa ularning fanlardagi yutuqlari nuqtai nazaridan qaraganda ajablanarli darajada ironik.
Also, I am afraid that people who take current scientific consensus so seriously are often deeply ignorant about the nature and the history of science. I have personal experience with this as a physics student at Harvard as well as a philosophy and history of science student there and at Tufts. Some of my professors were either Nobel Prize winners or on their way to winning it, and their ignorance about some of the basics of science history was astounding. They simply didn’t think it was important to know the history of science. Not surprisingly, that lack of interest and knowledge resulted in a very narrow, myopic understanding of science itself, which is ironic considering how accomplished they were in the sciences.
Ilmiy tarix bo‘yicha bu muhokamaga tegishli bir voqea shuki, o‘tmishdagi arxeologlar ulkan odamlar mavjud bo‘lgan deb ishonishgan. Ular bu e’tiqodlarini asoslashda... Reformists, Modernists 207
One piece of science history that is relevant to this discussion is that past archaeologists believed in the existence of giant human beings. They based their belief Reformists, Modernists 207
Fosillar va topilgan suyak parchalari haqida. Meganthropus nomli turning fosillarini ko'rib chiqing. Hozirgi olimlar buni bilmasliklari hayratlanarlimi? Yo'q, ular shunchaki o'z sohalarining tarixidan bexabar. Ammo bu ularning oldingi olimlarining mehnatini va tarixiy yozuvlarini yo'qqa chiqarmaydi.
on fossils and discovered bone fragments. Consider the fossils of the species named Meganthropus. Is it surprising that current scientists are unaware of this? No, they are simply ignorant of the history of their own field. But that does not erase the work and the historical record of their predecessors.
Men o‘zim, musulmon sifatida, taxminga asoslangan fikrlarni aniq dalillardan ustun qo‘ymayman. O‘sha sahih hadisni so‘zma-so‘z qabul qilishda hech qanday ikkilanish yoki shubha yo‘q, aksincha, men intellektual jihatdan to‘liq xotirjam va ishonchliman. Haqiqatan ham, shunga o‘xshash hadislar men uchun qadrli durdonalardir, chunki ular dunyo va tarixning haqiqiy mohiyati haqida menga ma’lumot beradi, bunday ma’lumotlarga boshqacha yo‘l bilan erishib bo‘lmas edi, hozirgi ilmiy konsensus esa boshqacha narsani aytsa ham.
As for myself, as a Muslim, I don’t privilege the speculative over the definite. And I have no hesitation or qualms taking that sahih hadith at face value and feeling perfectly intellectually content and confident. In fact, ahadith like that are gems that I treasure because they inform me about the true nature of the world and history that I wouldn’t be privy to otherwise since current scientific consensus says something different.
(Aytmoqchimki, bo‘y va suyak kuchi haqidagi bema'ni gaplarni to‘xtating. Agar suyaklar yetarlicha zich bo‘lsa, ular berilgan balandlikdagi jonzotni ko‘tara oladi. Bu hadisga suyak tuzilishi asosida e'tiroz bildirish, Al-Isro'ga Buroq juda qisqa vaqtda safar qila olishi uchun yetarlicha aerodinamik bo‘lmagan, deb e'tiroz bildirishga o‘xshaydi.)
(By the way, stop with the nonsense about bone strength versus height. If bones are sufficiently dense, they can support a creature of a given height. Arguing against this hadith on the basis of bone structure is like arguing against the possibility of Al-Isra on the basis that the Buraq couldn’t have been aerodynamic enough to make the trip in such a short period of time.)
Eslatma: Dunyodagi eng yetakchi olimlardan biri, Mufti Taqi Usmoniy, ushbu hadisning talqinini Shayx Anvar Shoh al-Kashmiriydan naql qiladi. Unga ko‘ra, Odam Jannatda ancha baland bo‘lgan, Yerga yuborilganida esa pastroq bo‘lib qolgan.44 U o‘z fikrini hadis matnining tilini tahlil qilishga asoslaydi. Bu talqin to‘g‘rimi yoki yo‘qmi, buni Alloh yaxshiroq biladi. Lekin gap shundaki, na u, na boshqa talqin zamonaviy ilmiy “haqiqatlarga” bog‘liq emas.
NB: One of the foremost scholars in the world, Mufti Taqi Usmani, relays an interpretation of this hadith from Shaykh Anwar Shah al-Kashimiri, according to which Adam was much taller in the Garden and then became smaller when he was sent to Earth.44 He bases his opinion on an analysis of the language of the hadith. Whether or not this interpretation is correct, Allah knows best. But the point is, neither interpretation depends on contemporary scientific “facts.”